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"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" is still, by popular acclaim, one of the greatest "Doctor Who" stories of all time. It's still in the top-10 -- out of both Classic and New series -- in the year-2014 DWM survey, and is even top-5 among Classic stories on that list.

"Talons" however also has major problems. One is the language; words that may (or may not) have been acceptable in 1977, are certainly not acceptable here in 2022. Two is the story's world-view, in which the immigrants (the Chinese, and other groups to be found in London's East End in the 1890s) are Other, alien, here solely to cause trouble -- described by various English characters within the story as "inscrutable", "pixilated", and "bloodsucker". "Doctor Who" -- both the TV show and the character -- has spent the better part of 60 years sticking up for the underdog, empowering the powerless and defending the oppressed. But for six weeks in the winter and early spring of 1977, the show took a break from that, and told a story instead about defending the Crown from... those other people.

Of course, "Talons" is NOT the only "Doctor Who" story with indefensible language and beliefs -- not the only Classic Series story to do that, and certainly there are New Series stories which also have problems. Does loving "Doctor Who" mean we have to accept its baggage?

Over the next two hours, join Jason -- and our first tandem guests, long-time Doctor Who novelists Kate Orman and Jon Blum -- as we take an unflinching look at this story, and then try to see if it's still possible to love this story in spite of its flaws, its many flaws.

Please e-mail the pod at DrWhoLiterature@gmail.com.
You can catch all past episodes at https://anchor.fm/doctorwholit.

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" is still, by popular acclaim, one of the greatest "Doctor Who" stories of all time. It's still in the top-10 -- out of both Classic and New series -- in the year-2014 DWM survey, and is even top-5 among Classic stories on that list.

"Talons" however also has major problems. One is the language; words that may (or may not) have been acceptable in 1977, are certainly not acceptable here in 2022. Two is the story's world-view, in which the immigrants (the Chinese, and other groups to be found in London's East End in the 1890s) are Other, alien, here solely to cause trouble -- described by various English characters within the story as "inscrutable", "pixilated", and "bloodsucker". "Doctor Who" -- both the TV show and the character -- has spent the better part of 60 years sticking up for the underdog, empowering the powerless and defending the oppressed. But for six weeks in the winter and early spring of 1977, the show took a break from that, and told a story instead about defending the Crown from... those other people.

Of course, "Talons" is NOT the only "Doctor Who" story with indefensible language and beliefs -- not the only Classic Series story to do that, and certainly there are New Series stories which also have problems. Does loving "Doctor Who" mean we have to accept its baggage?

Over the next two hours, join Jason -- and our first tandem guests, long-time Doctor Who novelists Kate Orman and Jon Blum -- as we take an unflinching look at this story, and then try to see if it's still possible to love this story in spite of its flaws, its many flaws.

Please e-mail the pod at DrWhoLiterature@gmail.com.
You can catch all past episodes at https://anchor.fm/doctorwholit.

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" is still, by popular acclaim, one of the greatest "Doctor Who" stories of all time. It's still in the top-10 -- out of both Classic and New series -- in the year-2014 DWM survey, and is even top-5 among Classic stories on that list.

"Talons" however also has major problems. One is the language; words that may (or may not) have been acceptable in 1977, are certainly not acceptable here in 2022. Two is the story's world-view, in which the immigrants (the Chinese, and other groups to be found in London's East End in the 1890s) are Other, alien, here solely to cause trouble -- described by various English characters within the story as "inscrutable", "pixilated", and "bloodsucker". "Doctor Who" -- both the TV show and the character -- has spent the better part of 60 years sticking up for the underdog, empowering the powerless and defending the oppressed. But for six weeks in the winter and early spring of 1977, the show took a break from that, and told a story instead about defending the Crown from... those other people.

Of course, "Talons" is NOT the only "Doctor Who" story with indefensible language and beliefs -- not the only Classic Series story to do that, and certainly there are New Series stories which also have problems. Does loving "Doctor Who" mean we have to accept its baggage?

Over the next two hours, join Jason -- and our first tandem guests, long-time Doctor Who novelists Kate Orman and Jon Blum -- as we take an unflinching look at this story, and then try to see if it's still possible to love this story in spite of its flaws, its many flaws.

Please e-mail the pod at DrWhoLiterature@gmail.com.
You can catch all past episodes at https://anchor.fm/doctorwholit.

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

ALSO: Canine in company! The Wedding of Ben Verth! The blob in the cafetiere!

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

ALSO: Canine in company! The Wedding of Ben Verth! The blob in the cafetiere!

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

ALSO: Canine in company! The Wedding of Ben Verth! The blob in the cafetiere!

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

ALSO: Canine in company! The Wedding of Ben Verth! The blob in the cafetiere!

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

ALSO: Canine in company! The Wedding of Ben Verth! The blob in the cafetiere!

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

ALSO: Canine in company! The Wedding of Ben Verth! The blob in the cafetiere!

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Ben and Mark discuss the Doctor Who sub-genre of the Hipster Historical by way of 'Nikola Tesla's Night Of Terror' and 'The Visitation'. How well do both stories succeed in informing and entertaining audiences about less famous historical celebrities?

Ben finds a kinship with Richard Mace, Mark attempts to pin the blame on someone other than Eric Saward, and a Waltzer carriage transforms into an android.

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Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

Steven of New To Who fame popped round Oxford for a couple of days and a lot of Whovian bants ensued

The post B082 NewToWhoBackWhen, Part 1 appeared first on Who Back When | A Doctor Who Podcast.

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

We speak with James Moran, author of Doctor Who: The Fires of Pompeii, released as an audiobook on 14th July 2022. 

Available from - https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Fires-Pompeii-Novelisation/dp/B09SZMSBFH

Original theme composed by Joe Kraemer | http://www.joekraemer.com/about/

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While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

We speak with James Moran, author of Doctor Who: The Fires of Pompeii, released as an audiobook on 14th July 2022. 

Available from - https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Fires-Pompeii-Novelisation/dp/B09SZMSBFH

Original theme composed by Joe Kraemer | http://www.joekraemer.com/about/

Email: sirensofaudio@gmail.com

Website: https://www.sirensofaudio.com/

Audio Feedback: https://anchor.fm/sirensofaudio

Twitter: http://twitter.com/audiosirens

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Clips are copyright BBC. No infringement is intended.

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

We speak with James Moran, author of Doctor Who: The Fires of Pompeii, released as an audiobook on 14th July 2022. 

Available from - https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Fires-Pompeii-Novelisation/dp/B09SZMSBFH

Original theme composed by Joe Kraemer | http://www.joekraemer.com/about/

Email: sirensofaudio@gmail.com

Website: https://www.sirensofaudio.com/

Audio Feedback: https://anchor.fm/sirensofaudio

Twitter: http://twitter.com/audiosirens

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/audiosirens/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/audiosirens

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrU3MLlOeJTLnAbLl35QgeQ

Clips are copyright BBC. No infringement is intended.

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

We speak with James Moran, author of Doctor Who: The Fires of Pompeii, released as an audiobook on 14th July 2022. 

Available from - https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Fires-Pompeii-Novelisation/dp/B09SZMSBFH

Original theme composed by Joe Kraemer | http://www.joekraemer.com/about/

Email: sirensofaudio@gmail.com

Website: https://www.sirensofaudio.com/

Audio Feedback: https://anchor.fm/sirensofaudio

Twitter: http://twitter.com/audiosirens

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/audiosirens/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/audiosirens

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrU3MLlOeJTLnAbLl35QgeQ

Clips are copyright BBC. No infringement is intended.

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

We speak with James Moran, author of Doctor Who: The Fires of Pompeii, released as an audiobook on 14th July 2022. 

Available from - https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Fires-Pompeii-Novelisation/dp/B09SZMSBFH

Original theme composed by Joe Kraemer | http://www.joekraemer.com/about/

Email: sirensofaudio@gmail.com

Website: https://www.sirensofaudio.com/

Audio Feedback: https://anchor.fm/sirensofaudio

Twitter: http://twitter.com/audiosirens

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/audiosirens/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/audiosirens

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrU3MLlOeJTLnAbLl35QgeQ

Clips are copyright BBC. No infringement is intended.

We speak with James Moran, author of Doctor Who: The Fires of Pompeii, released as an audiobook on 14th July 2022. 

Available from - https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Fires-Pompeii-Novelisation/dp/B09SZMSBFH

Original theme composed by Joe Kraemer | http://www.joekraemer.com/about/

Email: sirensofaudio@gmail.com

Website: https://www.sirensofaudio.com/

Audio Feedback: https://anchor.fm/sirensofaudio

Twitter: http://twitter.com/audiosirens

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/audiosirens/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/audiosirens

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrU3MLlOeJTLnAbLl35QgeQ

Clips are copyright BBC. No infringement is intended.

While Dave is jet-setting around Europe, Rob welcomes Dylan Rees (DOCTOR WHO: TOO HOT FOR TV) back to the podcast.

Dylan has brought today's main topic: 1960s Doctor Who writer, and sometime script editor, Dennis Spooner.

The guys keep the discussion light, so anyone can tune in and learn a little about Dennis and his stories without feeling overwhelmed by someone they perhaps aren't familiar with, writing black and white television almost 60 years ago.

Before then, the guys discuss some news from the past month, some short topics, and some great listener feedback. We really do have the best listeners, folks.

Hope you enjoy the episode! Contact us anytime, hello@theDWshow.net

We speak with James Moran, author of Doctor Who: The Fires of Pompeii, released as an audiobook on 14th July 2022. 

Available from - https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Fires-Pompeii-Novelisation/dp/B09SZMSBFH

Original theme composed by Joe Kraemer | http://www.joekraemer.com/about/

Email: sirensofaudio@gmail.com

Website: https://www.sirensofaudio.com/

Audio Feedback: https://anchor.fm/sirensofaudio

Twitter: http://twitter.com/audiosirens

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/audiosirens/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/audiosirens

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrU3MLlOeJTLnAbLl35QgeQ

Clips are copyright BBC. No infringement is intended.